Factchecking Won’t Save Democracy
On this episode of The Time of Monsters, a talk about the rise of anti-system politics.

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For this week's edition of The Time of Monsters podcast, we're posting a talk that host Jeet Heer gave at Carleton University earlier this November on how the crisis of democracy is related to the crisis of journalism. In the talk, I argue that we are living in an age where the salient political divide is not so much left/right as system/antisytem. Liberals have tried to fight antisystem politicians like Donald Trump by doubling down on factchecking.
But as I argue, this strategy is deeply flawed since voters who respond to antisystem arguments are also skeptical of institutions that claim to check facts. The talk tries to lay out a strategy for engaging with antisystem anger in a more productive way.
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Keynote speaker Jeet Heer questions the role of fact-checking in an increasingly distrusting society at the Reimagining Political Journalism conference at Carleton University on Nov. 15, 2024.
(Natasha Baldin)For this week’s podcast, I’m posting a talk I gave at Carleton University in Ottawa, Canada, earlier this November on how the crisis of democracy is related to the crisis of journalism. In the talk, I argue that we are living in an age where the salient political divide is not so much left/right as system/anti-system. Liberals have tried to fight anti-system politicians like Donald Trump by doubling down on fact-checking.
But I maintain that this strategy is deeply flawed, since voters who respond to anti-system arguments are also skeptical of institutions that claim to check facts. The talk tries to lay out a strategy for engaging with anti-system anger in a more productive way.

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Only a few years ago, European elites were patting themselves on the back for fending off the
tide of right-wing anti-system parties (often styled as populists). But recent polls in France,
Germany and the United Kingdom show that that the far right is once again gaining traction,
thanks in no small part centrist governments that have demoralized the population and
legitimized xenophobia. David Broder, author of Mussolini’s Grandchildren and European editor
of Jacobin, wrote a wide-ranging essay on this for The New York Times. I spoke to David about
both the dismal decisions of mainstream parties and also possible alternatives.
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