This week’s election news was dominated by one thing: the vice presidential debate between Democrat Tim Walz and Republican JD Vance. The two met in New York on Tuesday for a surprisingly mild-mannered 90 minutes, and by the end of it, nobody could seem to agree on what it meant. Was Walz too soft? Did Vance let his extremist guard down? Did any of this even matter?

That’s where we come in. On this week’s See How They Run, we got our Washington bureau chief Chris Lehmann and our national affairs correspondent Jeet Heer on the line with D.D. Guttenplan to talk all things debate—what it signaled about the Harris and Trump campaigns, what impact it might have on the race, and what moments viewers will latch onto as we approach November. (One thing we did not discuss: whether Vance was wearing eyeliner. Some questions are made to be contemplated, not answered.)