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The Polls and Us—Plus, How a Dem Wins in a Red District

On this episode of Start Making Sense, Rick Perlstein on polls and Marc Cooper on Representative Gleusenkamp Perez's campaign in Washington.

Jon Wiener

October 9, 2024

Representative Marie Gluesenkamp Perez (D-WA) participates in the Bipartisan Defending Borders, Defending Democracies Act news conference in the US Capitol on Wednesday, March 6, 2024.(Bill Clark / CQ-Roll Call, Inc via Getty Images)

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The Polls–and Us; plus How A Dem Wins in a Red District | Start Making Sense
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The polls have had disastrous failures for decades, but people continue to focus on them; Rick Perlstein has a better idea: ‘don’t follow polls—organize.’

Also: Democrat Marie Gleusenkamp Perez won a House seat in a Trump district, pointing the way for others. Marc Cooper analyzes her current reelection campaign in southwestern Washington State, starting from the fact that she’s a working class woman in a rural area.

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The polls have had disastrous failures for decades, but people continue to focus on them. Rick Perlstein has a better idea: “Don’t follow polls—organize.” He’s on the podcast to discuss.

Also on this episode: Democrat Marie Gleusenkamp Perez won a House seat in a Trump district, pointing the way for others. Marc Cooper joins Start Making Sense to analyze her current reelection campaign in southwestern Washington State, starting from the fact that she’s a working-class woman in a rural area.

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Here's where to find podcasts from The Nation. Political talk without the boring parts, featuring the writers, activists and artists who shape the news, from a progressive perspective.

The Dylan Movie, plus the Trump Books | Start Making Sense
byThe Nation Magazine

The endlessly elusive Bob Dylan seems an unlikely candidate for a Hollywood biopic. John Powers, Critic-at-Large on NPR’s “Fresh Air,” talks about how the new movie “A Complete Unknown” captures a defining moment in his career — and in American culture .

Also: Our holiday reading guide: Dozens of books about Trump were published at the end of his first term, some selling millions of copies. Now that he’s coming back, it’s time to look at what some of those books had to say about him. Host Jon Wiener presents his list, including the one with the best title: “A Very Stable Genius.” 

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Jon WienerTwitterJon Wiener is a contributing editor of The Nation and co-author (with Mike Davis) of Set the Night on Fire: L.A. in the Sixties.


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