How DOGE Is Remaking the US Government
In this episode of Tech Won’t Save Us, Makena Kelly on DOGE, government employees, and the American public.

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Paris Marx is joined by Makena Kelly to discuss how Elon Musk’s DOGE is reshaping the US government and the consequences that has for government employees and the wider public.
Makena Kelly is a senior writer at WIRED and writes the weekly Politics Lab newsletter.
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A protestor holds a sign during a rally against Donald Trump and Elon Musk’s Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) in New York City on February 19, 2025.
(Mostafa Bassim / Anadolu via Getty Images)On this episode of Tech Won’t Save Us, we are joined by Makena Kelly to discuss how Elon Musk’s DOGE is reshaping the US government and the consequences that has for government employees and the wider public.
Makena Kelly is a senior writer at Wired and writes the weekly Politics Lab newsletter.
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Here's where to find podcasts from The Nation. Political talk without the boring parts, featuring the writers, activists and artists who shape the news, from a progressive perspective.
On this episode of Tech Won't Save Us, Paris Marx is joined by Kate Green and Milo to discuss how Elon Musk’s DOGE is dismantling the US Digital Service and the consequences that has on really improving service delivery in government.
Kate Green and Milo are former US Digital Service engineers.
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